09/02/2014 at 1:10 pm #4558
I can tell you Nick that if the LNB is not sitting squarely in the collar, that too will make big difference. Also the minutest of movements on the LNB (whether it be inwards/outwards/skew or tilt) makes a difference. This ‘tweaking’ is very important.
p.s I have just put a rain hood on my LNB this morning. Should help matters greatly in the rain. (attached)09/02/2014 at 1:14 pm #4560
Nick, “Montgolfiere” recently posted this on the France forum:
“with larger dishes, make and quality is almost as important as size (as is the make and model of LNB).
The types I recommend are:
90cm. Triax 88
100cm Gilbertini 100
all these with Opticum 2x or 4x LNB.
If going larger:
Gilbertini 125 or 150 BOTH with Feedhorn LNBâ€™s.
Please note that â€˜standard styleâ€™ LNBâ€™s cannot be used above 120 as they dont â€˜seeâ€™ anything larger.
A good source for mail order in the south of France is 2Galli. but do be aware these larger dishes are prone to damage in transit so check hem carefully before signing/accepting them from the transporter!!!”
As Monty is in France I guess he is not familiar with Fracarro dishes but I believe Gilbertini and Fracarro sometimes exchange production so should be equivalents (??).09/02/2014 at 1:20 pm #4561
Thanks Derek, my current dish is mounted on a post which is in turn fixed to a wall about 70cm high which is the wall arround my flat roof.
I was thinking of getting a 1.5m dish but I’ve ordered an inverto Lnb so your comment about the 1.2 size is worrying. My other issue is that if I get a feed horn 1.5 dish they all seem to be fixed to the floor which would be a problem for me as I’m sure the other people in my block wouldn’t be happy about drilling holes in the roof. But I’m worried a 1.2m dish wouldn’t cut the mustard and I want to be sure I get a big enough dish. How can I be sure which size would work for me?
Nick09/02/2014 at 2:34 pm #4574
Looking at the spot beam map: http://robssatellitetv.com/astra2dukkuspotbeam.htm i’m right on the 120cm border. I see two reports on the google map reception reports just north of Cannes which is on the edge like me and one guy has a 1m dish with problems and another with 1.2 dish and seems to be ok.09/02/2014 at 2:57 pm #4578
Nick, thats not the right footprint map, that is for defunct 2D.
This is the correct footprint: http://robssatellitetv.com/astra2eukkuspotbeam.htm09/02/2014 at 3:03 pm #4580
ah! slightly different 🙂09/02/2014 at 3:08 pm #4584
Oh yes. It falls short in the south east a lot earlier.09/02/2014 at 3:55 pm #4594
Good morning guys,
At half time a bit at a disadvantage but we’re playing … France 9 Italy 3.
Come-on!!!09/02/2014 at 4:18 pm #4599
When you say youre “playing”, playing what exactly??! 😀09/02/2014 at 4:23 pm #4603
Unfortunately the usual Italian second half collapse…!!!09/02/2014 at 4:26 pm #4605
They should change the usual italians then. 🙂
(Mind you, what do *I* care? The more teams that play like fannies, the better the chances are for England.)09/02/2014 at 4:41 pm #4610
How many blows we are sticking! ahahahhahha09/02/2014 at 4:45 pm #4611
How many men and penalties are you losing? hahaaahaaa…09/02/2014 at 5:35 pm #4621
Nick, I don’t recall making any comment about the suitability of a 1,2m dish in Genova. However, as a keen observer rather than expert, it would seem that a 1,2 could be too small. Here in the Milan area, Jimi and I get by with 1m whilst Luniman in N.Tuscany has no success with a 1,5m. So logic says you could be somewhere in between, but where..??? Unfortunately I didn’t find anyone in your area in all the 2012/2013 2F reception reports so difficult to say but I guess a 1.50 would be nearer the mark (you might even need bigger, who knows what 2E footprint will look like on fringes..??).
Don’t see why you can’t mount a 1,5m on a pole fixed to the wall. I have such a mounting for two dishes, a 1m and 80cm. the pole sits on the terrace floor to take the weight but is held in position by wall clamps – see attached….09/02/2014 at 5:43 pm #4624
Blimme Derek….your dishes still look like new!!…..do you wash your dishes every day.?..maybe with Fairy dish washing liquid 😆09/02/2014 at 5:52 pm #4625
Steve in Padova,
Ciao, sorry can’t answer your questions but Maverick near Jesi has been searching for reasonably priced 1,8m dish for some time without success. I found this supplier in Austria with very low shipment cost to Italy but you still need to fork out 500 euris…!!! http://com.satmedia.at/s_product_detail.php?pr_idr=2274&ag1=&ag2=793&pcat=&gruppe=543&grpname=Antenne Tekatel K180cm ALU Profi-Line
To get an idea if a 1,8m will suffice in Padova, can only suggest you wait until there is a sufficient number of 2E reception reports to have a better idea….09/02/2014 at 6:00 pm #4627
Steve in Munich,
Ciao Steve, with these bloody country forums, feel I’ve been cut off from friends and family…!!!
The 80cm WAS new when I took the pic but the 1m is 7 years old and of course washed regularly (but not every day), ashamedly with supermarket brand liquid…!!!09/02/2014 at 6:05 pm #4628
Hi Derek, no I was referring to what you said about normal Lnb’s able to go above 120cm. I’ve already ordered a black inverto! If i have to go for a 150cm it’ll be wasted money. oh well.
Good to know that you think a 1.5 would work on wall pole. I’ve found a few 150cm for around the â‚¬150-200 mark.09/02/2014 at 6:22 pm #4629
Derek…….Yea …it is a bit af a shame…..But not to worry…..When everybody gets their new dish sorted out…….things will soon be back to normal…….(Tho it was me that suggested to Paul doing the different country signal reports)..Opps… 🙁 ……..10/02/2014 at 5:11 am #4659
Thank you Derek for the reply, 500 clams just for the a small chance I can see my channels again is too much, I’ll wait a few weeks and see.10/02/2014 at 6:23 am #4662
the last 24 hours I had no loss of signal on the 2e as had happened to me in the early days of broadcasting. Expect but this is already a very good news … If it were confirmed that turin with a 75 * 80 triax you can still get all the channels freesat hd, but a 100 would be more convenient to avoid problems ..10/02/2014 at 8:17 am #4668
Hi Derek, I’m west of Milan near Magenta and have lost all BBC channels. I believe I have a 1m dish on the roof, but as it’s a pitched roof it’s not easy to get up their to check it! (especially in the rain)! I’ve been following the discussions but I’m getting more confused the more I read! Can anyone give me some simple advice on what I should do to try and get reception back?? Cheers.10/02/2014 at 8:20 am #4669
I reckon its promising for your Riccardo but I would upsize as a precaution to be sure. Yesterday there wasnt the rain we had the night before which would have helped keep the reception. But you never know for next time….10/02/2014 at 8:40 am #4672
Done get confused, its easy. There are only 3 things to know:
1, are you in an area that stands a chance of receiving reception? Well, First WHERE exactly are you? If you look at the 2E RECEPTION MAP (on right, towards the top of this forum – alternatively click here: http://goo.gl/maps/6oMrd ) to see how others are in similar area you may be able to judge what can and cant be done.
2, Dish size: this is everything. If your are in potential area, and have a big enough dish then thats all you need. Its a little difficult to say what you need to go to especially if you dont know what you have now. I am east milan with a 1 metre so perhaps yours is smaller or not set up right, or perhaps you simply need a bigger one than me because of your position. People do say that Metronic disghes (regularly seen in Italy) are fine but finding the size youe need in the shops may be more difficult. So if need be, buy onle from metronicstore.com.
3, Once you have your dish determined, and installed, You may consider a quality LNB (I used Inverto Ultra Black LNB). Make sure you buy the versino relevant to your box as there are SINGLE, DOUBLE and QUAD versions.
4, TWEAK!!! Once everything is installed, tweak it to make sure all positions, rotations, and direction pointings of your equipment are ABSOLUTELY spot on. Often installtions have just been ‘put together’ with “oh thats its, you can see TV so now its ode” attitude. It isnt. The LNB skew and position in the collar can make a difference to strength even by 1 mm change. 5mm on the dish alignment can mean missing the satellite by 160 miles off target. Get yourself a signal metre and MAXIMISE!
Thats it. The problem we cannot help you with is getting on your roof.10/02/2014 at 10:05 am #4683
This morning at 7am I had cloudy skies but no loss of signal or error instead I noticed that a few days ago also in clear sky conditions. Saturday night here with me it was not raining it was just cloudy, but within a few hours I had lost about 6db then returned slowly after on 23.30 …
I think 2e it is still not in the correct position.
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