Encryption and the effect on free satellite access

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  • #27825

    JFK
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    HI! Apparently the UK or rather the BBC are going to introduce encryption as a way to stop people without a TV license accessing content. Guardian Article see here.

    As I have absolutely no idea about things technical, will this affect receiving signal either by Satellite or via the Internet?

    Thanks 🙂

    #27831

    Derek
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    Hi Jay, I’m also no expert but the “problem” addressed in the article is that of people viewing catch-up tv (e.g. iPlayer) on-line, in theory on their computer screen. This means that they have no TV (ha ha) and therefore are not paying the TV license, but nevertheless have access to BBC programme content free of charge. Any suggestion to encrypt these Internet feeds would obviously present no problem to those receiving UK free to air terrestial and satellite broadcasts now.

    BUT, your post raises interesting questions about how the BBC (and not only) will be funded in the future. It says it supports the current licence system and not “pay for view” but, at the same time, will be transferring BBC3 to on-line-only viewing from February (to save money!!). Is this the thin edge of the wedge, will all TV eventually be on-line?
    Whatever happens, I can imagine that there will be increasing problems of how broadcasters will be paid for their services and how to respect local broadcasting rights as programmes on line become globally available.

    My personal feeling is that, one day, all our communication and entertainment needs will be available only via the Internet, from a provider of choice, and that we will pay according to consumption in the same way that we do today for energy or water supplies. Whether the Internet connection will be by fibre or satellite or both is a guess but presumably terrestial broadcasts will disappear.

    I don’t think these possible developments will change things in the near future (in Italy, my Internet “connection” disappears regularly in the evening) but would be interesting to hear the view of others, hopefully more expert than I am!!

    #27846

    Froggie
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    Hi  Derek and Jay,

    Here on the south coast of France, I have long since abandoned trying to receive British TV by satellite, it’s just too random to be useful. The thing is that the various iplayers work very much better these days, with few glitches and good quality 720p video for those with adequate Internet speed and have therefore become a very viable alternative to TV reception by any other means and no doubt the BBC and other broadcasters realise this. (with a VPN outside the UK) Here in France, the situation is similar, with good quality French Internet broadcasts, yet using a computer to watch them is still exempt from the TV license, as it would be difficult to make everyone who owns a PC pay the license (La Redevance Audiovisuelle) Here, the TV license is included in the council rates, a system started a few years ago, after it was realised that only about 40% of TV owners were actually paying the license. However, those who don’t possess a “TV” can opt out by declaring on their honour that they don’t have one and pay less rates, but as far as I know, no one is ever checked.. I also believe, like you Derek, that evenually, Internet broadcasting will surplant all other methods as the optical fibre service is rolled out because satellites and terrestrial tgransmitters cost a fortune but that won’t be for a long time yet. . However, our Internet providers already supply a comprehensive TV service, where you pay according to the channels you want to watch. If you don’t want any TV at all by Internet, your Internet sub is a bit cheaper. The future is already here!

     

     

     

    #27849

    Montgolfiere
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    UK TV Reception via Satellite in the South of France is still possible for at least 90% of the year with Medium  Dishes (125 Gib chez moi) . and 99% of the time with a large Dish (150 Gib)… It has actually been better in 2015 than 2014. (Do note however that reception on or around the Pyrenees / Spanish Border area is potentially weaker)

    Personally i watch Satellite when possible and then switch to my Android System when there are problems….I have found an updated System that is a lot better than the previous MX Model.

    I decided to stick with the 125 Gib here as we have some awful Winds to cope with

    #27881

    Froggie
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    Hi, Yes it works OK here but right on the coast (where I live) it’s very difficult. About 15 KMs further north and results are quite a lot better better. I would not have believed that such a small distance could matter, but there it is! Hooray for optical fibre!

    #28413

    JFK
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    Thanks for your thoughts, everyone. Sorry I did not respond sooner. I have been a bit preoccupied.

    @Derek The presumption encryption would mean Sky-type or other PAYG access (or lack of) was the cause of my concern. As we should not have access to iPlayer & Co from ISPs outside the country, I was wondering if encryption would basically prevent any “workaround” solutions.

    We receive internet via cable in Germany, but there are thousands who still have pretty dodgy copper wire connections, so online viewing is not an option. My cousin between Toulouse and the Pyrenees in rural South of France is also light years away from state-of-the-art connection, but at least he has the joy of a fully functional satellite. Locals get all their TV via cable services which they have to pay for… Even the state TV therefore “costs” more than just the TV license. We have a satellite, but sadly have not managed a flicker from the UK to date.

    I just feel that because of various trade treaties such as TiSA on top of the “digital revolution” and encryption, will basically result in us no longer being able to access cross-border TV, even within the EU. It’s really the thin end of the wedge, or at least that is my feeling. The effect this will have on democracy apart from freedom of choice, is not somewhere I want to go, but I look at what is happening in Poland and truly get the heeby-geebies!

    @Froggie
    We suffer the same frustration. Over to the west there is a chance of reception. Here on the east coast, it would appear to be almost nil. At least not without a huge sat. dish, which of course we cannot accommodate without risk of it blowing off the roof in storms!

    The protectionism of the stations may mean they shoot themselves in the foot. The more they try to confine viewing to just those in their own country, the fewer viewers they hold on to and the more people will go elsewhere for news, current affairs, films, etc.

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