Signal Problem in Menton

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  • #8152

    Anonymous

    I wonder if anyone could or does know a person who could give us an idea what is going on. Is this issue all due to instructions from BBC/ITV re signal and now they have got it to the point where all Europe signal is cut off.
    Or is it Astra carrying this out on their on there own back, and give results to TV companies.
    I wonder if they are going to let us have a signal strength for both SD/HD in France ???????

    It would be good to hear from a knowledgeable people.

    Tony

    #8154

    Justine
    Member

    Hi Tony & others,

    Sorry for being Noobish. I only joined the forum yesterday. The whole latest signal issue is a mystery to me. I upgraded my 70 cm Triax dish to a super cheap 100 steel Triax (just over 100 euros for dish and fitting on a gable wall with my local official TV man). I wasn’t willing to invest in a fancy Gibertini until things settle down. Until 2 days ago I got a pretty decent signal SW of Carcassonne for most of the time, except during heavy rain and sandstorms. The last couple of days make no sense at all. I get Channel 5 during daytime (never really watched that before – it’s dire). Last night I briefly picked back up BBC channels and ITV ones but Channel 5 was lost. Then soon after all channels went again – except for the dubious Sky ones – news and travel and food – those “funny” channels noone should want to watch 🙂 Seems to me when we lose signal it doesn’t make much difference if it’s a 100 Triax or a 135 Gib one – it’s gone. Will just watch with a laptop or tablet attached to TV for me when it’s like this but that doesn’t much help my gite clients. Anyone with thoughts on why the last two days are so very bad – please – I’d love to hear 🙂 Certainly doesn’t seem to be sand or exceptional cloud this time. Hoping for a long term solution soon 🙂

    Thanks,

    Justine

    #8155

    Justine
    Member

    Oh heck – I’ve now lost dubious Judge Judy and the blond porcupine guy with the sunglasses on the back of his head – i.e. all Sky ones gone. Assuming this means “2e”and “2f” are currently “stuffed” south of the Loire, or, is this just me?

    Justine

    #8156

    Justine
    Member

    Pick and Horror is all I seem to get – hence spamming here – sorry 🙂
    Justine

    #8158

    Steve ……
    Member

    If your losing Sky 1…there is something really seriously wrong with your set up…..!!!!….

    #8168

    Justine
    Member

    Hi Steve
    I never have had Sky 1. It says I have to upgrade my subscription :S
    Justine

    #8169

    Justine
    Member

    Steve – Never been available on Televes or Lenson boxes either – I haven’t paid for TV – should I?

    #8170

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    The 2f signal dropped at exactly the same time last year. The ‘drop’ lasted a week. We are watching what happens with interest.
    Still poor here this morning with no 2f and 2e still breaking up.

    Regarding Dishes. I would only recommend the Gibertini 125 or 150 with Feedhorn LNB’s, as my Colleague has made a number of size for size comparisons with some very poor results from other models.

    (Re reception in the Razes: a 125 Gibertini would really improve your situation but of course can only be ‘Ground Mounted’. I am using/supplying Android FTA IPTV Systems but of course multiple systems would required good Download speed!!)

    #8171

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    I don’t think there is a ‘Conspiracy’ regarding the loss of signal. It is more likely down to the ‘Atmosheric Conditions’ as we move to Summer. It is something we have been warning about and expecting after monitoring 2f last year. It is for that reason i personally decided to suspend ALL Dish installations in my area until after the Summer so i can give my Clients a ‘True’ picture of what to expect with any given dish size.

    #8173

    Anonymous

    Hello Montgolfiere
    Thanks for your info, having looked at your profile I guess you know what is happening as this is your business, the funny think is that the signal issue started on Saturday evening (don’t think anyone is working with changing sat signals then).

    I do really hope you are correct, will update tonight when the installers change our dish this afternoon, not expecting any changes re 2e and 2f signals.
    1.20m Dish,2xlnb, 2x pace sky SD boxes,63 meters from dish (live in apartment 3 floor, disk on 7 floor building built 1890)

    Tony
    Menton

    #8174

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    SES are working 24/7/365.
    The Satellite is ‘repositioned’ whenever it ‘drifts’ outside its ‘Box’.
    and this can lead to variations in reception on the ‘Fringes’ where any ‘minute’ change in ‘angle to the plane’ position etc. etc. is magnified. Of course they can also ‘deliberately’ move the Footprint to ‘Maximise’ reception in their Target area. ie the UK…..
    I did hear ‘wispers’ that they were having reception problems in the margins of the Uk and if this is true they may be trying to resolve these issues with ‘unknown’ consequences for us here in ‘La Grande Sud’.

    #8177

    Justine
    Member

    Thank you Montgolfiere for your input here and in pm. For Tony – I’m in a FB page where people in Toulouse have lost reception in the last few days. They usually get a pretty reliable signal on a 70cm dish. I’ve also heard of some in the UK losing reception last few days too. Fingers crossed this is a temporary loss.

    Justine

    #8178

    Sambracitain
    Member

    Hi Montgolfiere
    Did your colleague compare with a Raven 1.2m GRP dish. Was this not as good as 1.25 Gilbertini? I had been contemplating the Raven as it is reported that it does not permanently deform over time in strong winds compared with metal dishes and has good surface accuracy. Also it is rustproof which was a consideration on the salty Cote d’Azur.

    Is anyone getting decent reception on 2E/2F on the Cote d’Azur at the moment with larger dishes?
    It would be nice if someone had a contact within Astra to see if they know why we are losing signal strength.

    #8180

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    he didn’t compare with a Raven composite, but did with a cheapo?? 120 compo from 2 GALLI…
    We were mainly interested in the comparison with the likes of 13 or 140 Farmaval types…

    #8181

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    I would suggest 70 cm. is a tad small for Toulouse. I have a Triax 88 there which has been giving problems on Low Signal Days.

    #8184

    Satdazur
    Member

    I’m getting around about 2db more on a 1.5 Gilbertini compared to a 1.25. Which is actually a bigger difference than when the signal was stronger, then the average difference was 1.7db. This is an average because the numbers are different for different transponders. On the 1.25 – which I use to actually watch TV Channel 5 went pixellate / freezing picture for a couple of hours last night BBC1 SD was fine.

    #8185

    Satdazur
    Member

    On May 10th 2013 Monty posted this on the forum

    The Signal is equal too or even lower than its lowest reading ever!!!!
    BUMMER.

    Then on May 20th 2013 he posted this
    Signal has come up around 15% today… all channels been working since 06.30
    I wonder how long it will last this time!!!

    the big drop in March this year was about 2 days later than last year. So what about at the earth moves its rotation angle from equinox to equinox etc. the satellite has to have its angle adjusted to keep footprint correct. This is not done every day but from time to time. Just after the change we see a big loss in signal, then as the earth catches up with the adjustment signal increases day by day until the next change. Now it never gets really good until after the autumn equinox when the changes are in the opposite direction. Might explain why last year we got back to really good signals October November time.
    Probably not very well explained but does anyone get my drift?

    #8186

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    the 2db. is an encouraging increase to measure….. and the reason i specify a Gib. 150cm in my own Location: whereas 15kms north a 125cm. should be big enough.

    #8188

    Gary D
    Member

    Satdazur – I wonder if it might be something to do with turbulence or heating up of the atmosphere.

    My reasoning is that just after the spring equinox, the sun moves to being overhead areas in the northern hemisphere and would heat up the atmosphere in a region that is between the satellite and our dishes.

    So maybe signal strength and signal quality deteriorate due to this affect?

    #8189

    Anonymous

    La Palme, Aude, France. I started to loose 2E during the day, 9am-3pm, on Monday. Now, Wednesday, I have no 2E at all during the day, don’t know yet about the evening. Had a new 1.20 dish installed a month ago and great reception till now. I still have good reception on 2F. The installer just checked and said the dish had not moved and he was unable to tweek the set-up any more, it’s at max. I am not a happy camper!!! This is also true for neighbouring villages, not heard from Narbonne yet.

    #8190

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    re Signal in La Palme. I would have reccomended a Gibertini 125 or even 150 (with Feedhorn)in your location to take account of the ‘expected’ lows as observed last year with 2f…… A 125 Gibertini proved not to be big enough for 2f last year at Salses.

    #8191

    Anonymous

    Thanks for the thoughts but I never had a problem till the introduction of 2E – I was receiving everything except 5USA on a 70cm dish for the last 6 years without ‘strange’ periods! I have a Digitronic 3000 free to air box that is very easy to re-tune so none of the Sky box issues. Either Astra has done some fine tuning that we don’t know about yet or some very strange atmospheric happenings are going on!!! Keep up all the chatting, if nothing else it’s encouraging to know I am not alone in this leaky boat.

    #8193

    Hi Monty. I didn’t even realise there was any problem lately, until I read the posts from Germany, Italy, Menton, and then yours. So I monitored the signal levels on ITV1HD (usually my weakest) and BBC1HD from 8pm til midnight last night and found a constant, and reasonably healthy S90/Q70 on both via Humax. (A very clear night weatherwise). This would seem to very much support your view that a Gilb 125 would suit, just 15kms north of you. I would appear to be around 33kms north of you as the crow flies.
    PeteP

    #8194

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    we were not on the ‘fringe of reception’ before 2f Dec 2012 or 2e Feb 2014…. 2f behaved erratically during the ‘Summer Months’ last year.

    #8195

    I’m sure that someone must have raised this already – but I haven’t seen it. The time stamp on the posts has been a bit skew-wiff for a while now. My last post says 3:32PM when I actually posted at 6:23PM.

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