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  • #4481

    Anonymous

    Hi. I installed a 1.8 metre dish here in the South of France, thinking it would solve reception problems once Astra 2E was operational.
    Must say I am very disappointed so far and things can only get worse apparently next week when ITV channel 4 etc. move.
    Do we really have to put up with this blatant attempt to disenfranchise us expats all over Europe?
    What about our Human Right to be able to access radio and TV in our native language no matter where we are living?
    Who is to blame for this fiasco. SES or the BBC or the European Community?
    Alright, I know we can fill any gaps with FilmOn and similar services, but at the moment, this is just one great big bonanza for suppliers and installers of satellite equipment.
    Does any one out there have an answer?
    Frustrated colinwd

    #4487

    jimimaseye
    Member

    “Human Right to be able to access radio and TV in our native language”

    Huh???

    Not sure anyone is stopping you from this (very strange) ‘human right’, they are simply stopping you from using THEIR broadcast because you havent paid for it. It’s called COPYright they have a right to exercise (as opposed to your HUMAN right). You can still exercise your human right (?!) to listen to YOUR native language wherever you are….but its up to you to find it.

    Next thing youll be saying that the local bus company MUST go off their predefined route just to pick you up outside your house because its your human right to use transport.

    #4491

    Derek
    Member

    Well said Jimi…of course it’s our “human right” to complain about what we don’t like – that doesn’t necessarily make us right…!!!

    #4493

    Anonymous

    seems strange to me, however, that with a dish of the kind you can not see the bbc …
    I think you solve doing a good job of installation.

    #4494

    jimimaseye
    Member

    Quite right derek. I too am frustrated at this new era of satellite broadcasting of UK tv BUT I keep a grasp on the realities of whats right and wrong. I know *I* am wrong to expect it and that its only right that the inconvenience is mine (I would soon be complaining if I were a license payer back home). So when I complain about this issue, it is firmly at the uncertainty and funding I have to endure and provide to satisfy my need. Otherwise, if I had the attitude as the poster above, I would be expecting the local satellite dish company to provide me a large dish for free – ITS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO HAVE ONE so why dont they GIVE me one without me paying?!

    As my mate in the UK said to me yesterday when I told him about my loss of signal, “Ask them for your money back then!”

    #4500

    Anonymous

    freesat could encrypt ago as SGR SSR and give the opportunity to see through paying the subscription card to citizens outside the home … but these are political choices that I personally do not concern …

    #4501

    jimimaseye
    Member

    it still wouldnt negate the fact they do not want viewing outside the UK. (Because people would still buy in uk then take abroad – as Sky will testify). Encryption only serves to fund, not limit its viewing borders.

    #4513

    Montgolfiere
    Member

    The make and model of Dish and the make model of LNB Is very important at any given size. we have not yet found any 180 we can either ‘source’ or would reccomend. We use Gilbertini at 125 and 150
    Your Location is on a north South Level with my Narbonne in my area and there a 125 Gilbertini with Feedhorn is working very well. It is however crucial to set up precisely and this is not easy with the correct meter etc. TO be perfectly Honest i find installing Dishes above 120 very ‘Taxing’ and nearly outside n]my own ‘Skillset’ !!! and that is after 8 years of installing in my part of the World!!!
    A feedhorn is required above 120cm.

    #4586

    Anonymous

    Thank you Montgolfiere.
    My tongue in cheek post seems to have provoked a lot of comments, BUT yours was the only helpful one.
    I have taken your advice and exchanged the Andrews feedhorn and C120 Inverto LNB from my Andrews 1.2 dish (now redundant) to my Andrews 1.8.
    The improvement is remarkable, so thanks again.
    Colinwd

    #4598

    Derek
    Member

    Sorry Colin, as your topic “What About Our Human Rights? was posted in the General Forums section and not in Satellite Forums, seriously thought you wanted to open a discussion about expats rights to view UK TV (by the way also covered in http://robssatellitetv.com/topic/why-ex-pats-dont-matter/ ).
    Anyway you can always rely on Monty for sound advice..!!

    #4608

    jimimaseye
    Member

    I concur Derek. AND, as there isnt ACTUALLY any question or request for technical advice, and only questions of “Do we really have to put up with this blatant attempt to disenfranchise us expats all over Europe?”, “What about our Human Right to be able to access radio and TV in our native language no matter where we are living?” and “Who is to blame for this fiasco. SES or the BBC or the European Community?”…. then answers to these questions are what you gonna get.

    After all, as I keep trying to get my missus to understand, I am a MAN and not a mind reader. I respond to what I HEAR and not what WASNT said but actually meant.

    #4619

    Satdazur
    Member

    BBC World and BBC Prime along with CNN – oh sorry that is in American not English, satisfy our Human Rights or actually EU legislation to encourage free movement of citizens. But do we want to watch them?

    #4620

    jimimaseye
    Member

    Maybe you do or maybe you dont. If you dont, you continue to look find the answer which is permitted. What is Sky’s official t&c’s about watching their channels? Is it like the BBc? Or do they officially allow as long as youve paid your subscriptions?

    #4623

    Satdazur
    Member

    My understanding, from some people where I know it has happened, is that if Sky are made aware that you are using the Sky system outside the UK will cut you off. Yes they want the revenue but if you make it blatant you are not in the UK they have been know to act.

    #4626

    jimimaseye
    Member

    Thats what I thought. I get a little annoyed with people suggesting that Sky broadcast on Pan-european beams just to satisfy their expat-european subscribers because money is all that matters. They are a business, with copyright obligations and ultimately need to adhere to them. Unlike the BBC, they have to power to ‘turn off’ people – the bbc can only restrict the footprint and hope its enough.

    #28451

    John
    Member

    Stumbled on this thread whilst going through the site. I know, it is grave digging but it was surprised by this human right to be able to access radio and TV in our native language no matter where we are living claim. There is no such right, neither European nor United Nations. The right – concerning TV and radio – you have in Europe is that you may – and not be hindered to – receive watch and listen to any broadcast from whatever source receivable.
    So that claim belongs in the hearsay collection.

    That UK TV has moved to an even narrower UK beam has nothing to do with SES-Astra or a – whichever – government. It is the broadcasters choice made long before the satellite was build and launched. The reason for that choice is plain and simple, economics. The broadcaster pays the copyright-holder of a program/production a fee based on the number of possible (not actual) viewers/listeners. When BBC / ITV can make clear that they try to the best of their abilities to limit the number of viewers that fee goes down. And the difference between 64 million and 742 million is …

    Copyright belongs to the creator of a work of art. Any art, written text, composed music, a photograph, the concept of a TV program or a painting, whatever.

    John

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